keeping a watchful eye on the wolves

Double Dipping the Sheep

Some people have recently mentioned that Todd Bentley’s revival has to be of God because he recently baptized people in the name of Jesus. So let’s take a look at this baptism night on the following youtube video:

Shika Boomba Water Baptism – Todd Bentley

Just before the 2 minute mark into this video an Asian girl comes to Todd Bentley to be baptized. She is screaming and Todd says, “She’s under that anointing already…(shakes and groans aaaahhhh)… it’s the ancients…we baptize her tonight in the name of the Father, Son and Holy BAM! (screaming continues)”

I replayed this many times over and am quite sure that he actually said “It’s the ancients.” Now what on earth did that mean? Some might propose that it is the spirit in Todd recognizing the spirit in this girl. One must ask, who is ancient? The young girl is not ancient. But demons have been around for a long time. (Note: he also might just be saying “It’s the Asians.”)

As he continued to ‘bam’ people into the water, even double dipping to ‘get that head under’, he accidentatlly dunked the interpreter (oops). He then continued to bam bam bam more shaking convulsing people with more double dunking before throwing the interpreter in a few more times with bam bam, for good measure.

If you think that was bad, there is more double dipping and triple bamming in this youtube video where a young man from Todd’s church in Abbotsford B.C. Canada is baptized, followed by a disturbing manifestation which one does not usually see happen in a baptismal tank:

Baptism into Bam Bam BAM!

Others may have already examined this issue, but having not watched these videos before, I found it completely shocking. Not only is this sad, it is absolutely terrible. Baptism is an act of obedience to follow Jesus that is not to be taken lightly. It is a symbolic burial of dying to oneself and beginning a new life in Christ. It is a sign of repentance, and a drastic change – so much so that the old person is “buried” as a testimony of what has happened inwardly. Baptism accompanies a sincere confession of the person’s faith and an admission that they have died to sin and the world. The person being baptized must understand what they are doing – committing themselves to Jesus Christ as Lord. Otherwise it will be meaningless. It could even spiritually harm a person who does this without fully understanding, giving them a false security that now they are ‘in.’

Crazy manifestations aside, if you listen to the reasons that people are getting baptized on the above videos, and the attitude of their baptizer, it appears that not one of these sheep being dipped in Todd’s pool (drunk tank) of ‘fire water’ has understood the true meaning of baptism. It is also evident that Todd himself does not understand the seriousness of this act.

Related:

Should we baptized “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” or “in the name of Jesus”?
http://www.carm.org/questions/baptise_name.htm

What is baptism in the Holy Spirit?
http://www.carm.org/questions/baptism_Spirit.htm

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12 responses

  1. Dave

    he says “it’s the Asians” not ancients.

    anyway, its still a total disgrace and makes a total mockery of the true biblical pattern for water baptism.

    July 21, 2008 at 8:40 pm

  2. sheepyweepy

    I was wondering about that…which is why I listened to it over and over again. Could be.

    Either way, you are right, it is a total disgrace.

    July 21, 2008 at 9:07 pm

  3. Polycarp

    Sheepyweepy, any way you could email me?

    July 22, 2008 at 12:41 am

  4. Andy Samuels

    If he got excited about “the Asians” it might relate to Freshfire targeting them for spreading The impartation. Saw this comment along those lines on Sola Dei Gloria where they wanted to:

    “…“electrocute the Koreans” by turning it up from 110 to 220v, while they have their hands burned with a painful fire they could take back to Korea.

    July 22, 2008 at 1:16 am

  5. sheepyweepy

    Andy,

    Now that’s a shocking thought.

    Polycarp,

    Can do.

    July 22, 2008 at 2:48 am

  6. I took the clip and slowed it down at that part so I could understand more clearly what he said. Slowing it down it sounds like he says “ancients”. I thought he might be saying “angels” because that is common for him. The pheonetics are easier to make out when the clip is slowed and it sounds clearly like “ancients”.

    Now how he meant that is questionable. He could be referring to the spirits, but he could also be referring to the people of their origins. The Asian people are considered an ancient civilization, so that might be what he meant.

    July 22, 2008 at 3:38 am

  7. sheepyweepy

    Thank you. That is most helpful.

    If he was referring to the Asian people as the ancients, it is still an unusual expression. But then, what isn’t unusual about Lakeland?

    July 22, 2008 at 5:41 am

  8. Andy Samuels

    I agree now that it sounds like he recognized “the ancients” in her manifestation. Asians were already in the mix and didn’t just show up when he said it. This was either a verbal signal for those in the occult who would know and were watching, or a spontaneous exclamation. He vibrated in what appeared to be an involuntary response and greeted the familiar spirits.

    Here’s some context I found:

    “David Reid Lowell is a full trance medium and channel for the energy of Michel (Michael), one of the ‘Ancients.’ This web site is designed for the empowerment of the individual through the Divine and the development of the inner intuitive self. Healing the inner child empowers the adult to step into Divine Grace and unlimited, universal awareness…”

    “Much of the ancients amazing knowledge was destroyed over the centuries by the rise in Christianity that tried to wipe out the old religion, because they considered it devil worship. Modern pagans today are trying their best to put back together a way of life that has been shattered by the fundamentalist religious folk.”

    July 22, 2008 at 6:35 am

  9. sheepyweepy

    Thanks very much for your digging Andy.

    July 22, 2008 at 6:52 am

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    July 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm

  11. Brenda

    Dear Sheepy,
    I wish you were kidding when you say that people are still saying this is a move of God because Todd used God’s Name. But I’m sure you’re serious. My prayers continue… Thanks so much for standing firm as a watchman, alerting the sheep. May God continue to protect and lift you up with encouragement and boldness to persevere in His service. And thanks for mentioning http://www.carm.org ~ it’s a good site. God Bless, -Brenda

    July 26, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  12. sheepyweepy

    Hi Brenda,

    Sadly, I hear it all the time. “But Todd is praying in the name of Jesus…but Todd is giving all the glory to Jesus…but what about all the miracles in the name of Jesus.”

    Thank you Brenda. This is not a fun job and truthfully, I don’t think I can do this much longer. The people who comment defending Todd do not listen to the truth, even when they are pointed to God’s Word. It is painful to observe.

    But thankfully, God, in His mercy and grace, is not finished with any of us yet.

    And I agree, CARM is a very good website.

    July 26, 2008 at 6:41 pm

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