keeping a watchful eye on the wolves

Looking for Fellow Sheep

Last week a reader asked some very important questions regarding the Florida outpouring. So far, time has not cooperated with my good intentions to write a lengthy response which these questions deserve. Are there any sheep out there who would like to respond to some of these questions to help out this reader?

Here are the questions:

…please answer these questions for me.

How about the 1000’s Todd’s led to Christ?

What about the miracles and healings?

What about the fact he gives Jesus all the praise?

What about the fact that they spend 1.5-2 or more hours in praise and worship to God?

What about being drunk in the Holy Spirit?

Even Paul had a third heaven experience.

What about the angel Emma?

Do you think satan can heal? Can satan get people saved?

Please post your answers in the comment section below. They will be much appreciated and read by many.

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4 responses

  1. sheepyweepy

    Since no readers have offered to answer any of these questions, I will give it a go.

    How about the 1000’s Todd’s led to Christ?

    The Holy Spirit leads people to Jesus, inspite of the messenger, not because of the messenger, and only God knows the numbers. God can use any means. I hope people are truly being saved. From what I have watched and listened to, I have not once heard Todd Bentley share the whole gospel, so I don’t know what people are being saved to, but if they truly are repenting of their sins and turning from their ways and being born again, it is by God’s power. I pray that any new converts will be led to a good Bible believing church and be discipled in the Word.

    What about the miracles and healings?

    God can heal anyone anywhere and anytime he wants. You do not need to go to a stadium to receive a touch from God. Many of the miracles at ‘miracle services’ can be psychological, and many not verifiable. If a man has a ‘healing gift’, shouldn’t he go into the hospital and heal the sick? What about the people who were told to come back the next night for “the rest” of their healing? What about all the truly handicapped and paralyzed people in wheelchairs who went home in the same wheelchairs? Did they not have enough faith? Or was their condition too serious to have partial healing of? Read some of the stories of people who went there and observed this very sad part of this outpouring.
    Jesus and his disciples never focused on miracles, in fact, they left the crowds that were seeking miracles and went elsewhere to preach about sin and repentance.

    What about the fact he gives Jesus all the praise?

    He gives Jesus some of the praise. If you listen closely, he also talks about Todd Bentley a lot (in the third person), angels, and this and that great man and their anointing mantels and angels. He also talks far more about anointing, glory, and getting IT and SOME than he does about Jesus.

    What about the fact that they spend 1.5-2 or more hours in praise and worship to God?

    If people are really worshipping God, that is great, if they are worshipping God for who He is. There is an improper way to worship God (unbalanced, seeking only the Holy Spirit’s power and what He can give). Two long hours of soaking worship can lead people into a state of great expectancy where they will believe what they want to believe. Some have even called this a technique of mass hypnosis. What they want to see and hear about is visions and miracles and angels. They are not there to learn about God or study His Word. They are waiting for IT. They want to see the power of the Holy Spirit. Some of the worship time has appeared to be genuine. However, it has been noted that what follows is not worshipful, but a disrespectful display of people drunk in the spirit, out of control, walking through supposed fire tunnels to get an experience…but is anyone there all night on their face utterly undone, in repentance over sin, as at true revivals? No, they are kicked out around midnight and told to come back the next night for the rest of their healing, etc. Take away the offering, take away the catchers, the books and T-shrits, and get everyone to open their Bibles, and then see what kind of revival there is. By the way, has anyone seen Todd read out of the Bible at this revival?

    What about being drunk in the Holy Spirit?

    We are told “And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit” in Eph 5:18. It says be FILLED, not DRUNK with the Holy Spirit. Spiritual drunkeness is not biblical behaviour. The fruit of the spirit is self-control.

    Even Paul had a third heaven experience.

    Yes, and he was too humble to boast about it and could not even utter the words to describe what he had seen.

    What about the angel Emma?

    Todd has changed that story. He took Emma off the Freshfire website. In his newly published book, Emma is now a man. There are no female angels in the Bible.

    Do you think satan can heal? Can satan get people saved?

    The Bible says that the one who will come and set himself us as the Messiah to be worshipped (the anti-Christ), who will be possessed by Satan himself, will have all power to do miracles.

    8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thess. 2

    No Satan does not want to get people saved, and cannot get people saved. But God can use any means to save people. But he can counterfeit anything and he is powerful. People have been healed by mediums, Reiki, New Age touch, and visualization. Kundalini awakening symptoms can bring pain relief and ‘healing’ to people, but it is not from God.

    July 9, 2008 at 6:14 am

  2. The Holy Spirit leads people to Jesus, inspite of the messenger, not because of the messenger
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    I agree…

    What about the miracles and healings?

    I agree with everything you said Sheepy, and i also believe God will heal “over top of” or in spite of the the speaker–in this case Todd or any of the other so-called prophets/preachers down in lakeland. When he does this its not God putting his stamp of approval on the meeting or actions taking place, but its God’s mercy and grace in action toward a heart reaching out to him.

    What about the fact he gives Jesus all the praise?

    While its true that since the commissioning service, which was a joke, the name of Jesus is being mentioned more often—BUT i believe its because he [Todd] was told to begin to do this because of the out-cry by those who were speaking out against the truth which was that Jesus was not the center of this ‘impartation movement’…Also,what is this whole thing being called? “The Bentley revival” by many! Its all about Todd and his impartation.

    I attended the Brownsville revival in its early days…i know, from reading about it later that many things got out of control, and it went down hill:but when i attended for 2 nights it was about repentance, salvation, holiness, etc…it was NEVER about John Kilpartick, and even when it apparently got caught up in deep error, it was still never about John Kilpatrick. That says ‘something’ ….

    What about the fact that they spend 1.5-2 or more hours in praise and worship to God?

    I’ve watched quite a few of these services–in fact i have tonights on now in another window (again, some guy talking about meeting the angel “winds of change”…praising Todd, etc…. nothing changes down there, whoever is speaking, sigh…)and have listened to the ‘worship’ portion of the services.

    Other then one night i can honestly say i have heard no true worship coming from the nightly performers: tonight it was like a rock concert with a female singer jumping and running around on stage, and a band.

    The point is, an hour of noise or music does not constitute true worship and praise.

    What about being drunk in the Holy Spirit?

    There is no biblical basis for it. Thats enough for me!

    Even Paul had a third heaven experience.

    Your response Sheepy is so true. I’ll tell you a secret (lol)…i’ve had a couple God given experiences which were totally supernatural–no, they were not third heaven experiences, but nevertheless they were just as dramatic. You know what? I never sense i should tell people about them–never! And i know its because i shouldn’t…

    This is what truly has caused me to doubt any of the supernatural experiences Todd claims to have had. He wants to talk about them (or write about them) in DETAIL to everyone.

    That is not only bragging, but his accounts do not include any “awe of God” at having them…When you compare his reactions, to those who experienced seeing real Angels of God, or things supernatural of God in the bible accounts, well, the reactions are like day and night!

    What about the angel Emma?

    Good answer Sheepy! Also where in the word of God do we ever read of an Angel of God floating, sprinkling ‘gold dust’ or any of the other things attributed to this ‘angel’ called Emma? we don’t.

    Do you think satan can heal? Can satan get people saved?

    I agree, of course satan cannot get people saved. But he can and does counterfeit the gifts of the spirit–including healing. IF satan is the cause of an illness, (its demon inspired) why wouldn’t he remove the demon causing the illness if it would make people believe in the false prophet or ‘healer’?

    He would, and i think he does. In these cases the person ends up in worse condition: both physically and spiritually, down the road.

    I heard a testimony during one of the recent GodTV services in which a young woman told Todd she had been healed at a previous service, but after going home her affliction returned. He told her it returned because she had (quote) “left the anointing and impartation” behind when she went home…What a crock!

    Well thats my .02 Sheepy! I just saw this tonight…

    July 9, 2008 at 7:12 am

  3. sheepyweepy

    Thank you so much for taking the time and helping me out, PJ. Good answers! We certainly do need fellow sheep. 🙂

    These are important questions so if anyone else has some wisdom to add, please do.

    July 9, 2008 at 3:34 pm

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